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Protest Questions & Answers



Protest Questions and Answers

by Susan Basko, esq.

The following are some of the many search terms that people have used this week to get to this site.  I will take these as questions and try to answer.  I am taking them exactly as written, typos and all.

1. peaceful protests where people got arrested -
Answer: Protesting is legal.  It is our Constitutional right.  Very few protesters are arrested, overall.  If a protest is peaceful, arrests are not likely.  However, even at a peaceful protest, there can be people doing things that get them arrested.  In addition, if a protest runs for too many hours, often police begin causing trouble, randomly attacking and arresting people.  If you want to run a peaceful protest, keep it to 2 hours maximum.  If you want to keep yourself safe at a longer protest, leave after a reasonable amount of time before people and police get cranky and start doing things they should not.


2. fbi infiltrate seattle protestors  
Answer: I don't know anything about this, but it would not surprise me.  You might want to google this and see what information is out there.


3. "facebook" and "doxbin" 
Answer: Facebook is a major social media. Doxbin is a type of site usually used by hackers, stalkers, or people engaged in violent crimes.  Some of the people that are involved in Doxbin crime sites have Twitter and/or Facebook accounts. 


4. california unlawful assembly required announcement  
Answer: In California and most other places, if the police decide that a protest is an unlawful assembly, they are supposed to make an announcement over loudspeaker or shouted if there is no loudspeaker.  They are supposed to repeat the announcement as many times as it takes and from different locations so that everyone has a chance to hear it.  The police might not do all this, though.  In the announcement, the police officer will state that the protest or gathering has been declared an unlawful assembly and that people must leave or they will be subject to arrest and to weaponry.  The announcement is supposed to tell which direction people are supposed to walk to leave.  Many (most?) people at a protest do not know which direction they are facing, and often to do not know the name of nearby streets.  So when police announce that people are to "walk West on Smith Street," most people won't know where that is.  The order to leave an unlawful assembly is called an Order to Disperse.  That means to leave and go home.  When an order to disperse has been given, police are supposed to allow protesters to leave and not try to kettle them or capture them.  If you do not obey an order to disperse, or if you are caught in a crowd that cannot quickly leave, you may experience tear gas, pepper spray, LRAD (a sonic weapon), rubber bullets, flash bangs, etc, as well as face being arrested or kettled.

5. giving dispersal orders during a unlawful assembly  
Answer: See the answer to #4 above.  It is the same in many states.  If an unlawful assembly has been declared, the police are supposed to announce that and give an order to disperse, followed by telling people where they need to walk to leave the area.


6. what happens if you're arrested at a protest   
Answer: Usually they put zip ties on your hands, usually too tightly, and they make you stand around or sit around waiting to be transported somewhere.  Then, usually they put you onto a hot bus and make you sit on it for hours.  Then, they usually take you someplace to be processed, maybe a jail, maybe some impromptu place.  Then, they hold you for hours or up to a few days and let you go, either based on your identification or based on bail money.  Usually while you are being held, you will not have water, food, or a chance to go to the bathroom.


7. anaheim protest live  
Answer: I don't know anything about this.  There are protests all over the place, including Anaheim.


8. are peaceful protesters getting arrested 
Answer: Yes, that happens sometimes. Most peaceful protesters do not get arrested, but some do.


9. arrested protester being denied insulin   
Answer:  If you are arrested at a protest, you will almost surely not be given any medicines, even if you need them.  If you need medicine, let the police know right away and maybe they will let you go home instead of arresting you.  Giving you any medicine while in custody will require either that you have it with you and then being allowed to take it, or the police would have to bring you to a hospital for a prescription, and they are extremely unlikely to do that. If you are in medical need, it is probably best to avoid going to any protest that might get out of hand. 

10. can you sue if you are hurt protesting  
Answer: Sometimes protesters who have been injured by police by excessive use of force have sued the police and on rare occasions, they have won.  If a protester is hurt by the negligent or criminal acts of another, such as being run over intentionally by a car, they might sue the person that did it.  Anyone in such a situation should speak with a Civil Rights lawyer or possibly a personal injury lawyer.  They will evaluate your specific case for its facts and apply those to the law and then tell you if they think you have a case or not.   Try to keep out of the way of trouble at a protest.  In the George Floyd protests, it has been reported that police have shot many people with rubber bullets.  Rubber bullets are extremely dangerous and should never be used to disperse a crowd. During these protests, it has been reported that numerous people have lost an eye after police shot them in the eye with a rubber bullet.  Rubber bullets should be banned from use in protests.


11.  cost of getting out of jail after protest  
Answer: This can range from simply showing your identification all the way to thousands of dollars.  It depends on what basis you were arrested or what you have been charged with.   It also depends what "game" the police are playing at the moment.  Maybe they're going to hold you on a hot bus for a few hours and let you go.  Maybe they are going to take you to jail and make you go before a judge to set bail.  It all depends.  If people have to pay bail, it will be based sometimes on the set bail amount for that charge.  It also depends on the state and even on the county.  For example, failure to disperse can bring different bail amounts in different counties in the same state.  Usually overall, most protest arrests will be no bail or a few hundred dollars, though some can be significantly higher.


12.  la city rules for protests and marches   - 
Answer: Use the search bar on this site on the right hand side bar near the top.



Unlawful Assembly at Protest: Legal Info

Unlawful Assembly at Protest:  Legal Info
(Failure to disperse)
by Sue Basko


UPDATES WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 30/ - DEC. 2, 2011: Police raided Occupy L.A. just after midnight this morning (November 30, 2011).  Many people had been saying for days prior that the eviction was scheduled to allow Sean Penn and Ryan Gosling to shoot a movie on the City Hall site.   There has been credible evidence for days to think this is likely.  

The raid on Occupy L.A. was horrifying.  An unlawful assembly was declared and people were given 10 minutes to clear the area.   This announcement followed the script that is given below.  The announcement was made several times by an officer walking around in the crowd with a megaphone, and was repeated in several languages.   People in the camp were given ample opportunity to leave and not be arrested.  Those who stayed were opting to be arrested for their political  purposes.

However, people who were trying to leave the area after the dispersal order, and after a second dispersal order was given several blocks away later in the night, were kettled, beaten, and arrested.  People are reporting that many protesters were chased down and arrested as they attempted to leave the perimeter area.  Photos and videos are  emerging, taken after people have been released from jail today (Dec. 2) showing serious injuries to hands and arms.

All of the arrestees thus far that I have seen interviewed have complained of being driven around for hours, not being allowed to use the bathroom, that people had zip-ties on much too tight, that people were denied medical care and medicines, that people were not given water for many hours or at all, that some people were not allowed to make phone calls, that some people were not allowed to see their lawyers, that most of the prisoners were fed little (such as two meals in 3 days), that officers denied them the right to use a toilet and so people had to urinate in their clothing and then had officers mocking them, that several women were placed in isolation for no valid reason, and that dangerous medical conditions were ignored and untreated, and other things.

Monday November 28, 2011: Last night at Occupy L.A., a police officer declared an unlawful assembly at First and Main Streets and issued an order to disperse.  What this means is that there were people in the intersection, they would not get out after being asked nicely repeatedly, and so an unlawful assembly was declared so anyone in the intersection could be arrested.  Keep in mind that the police had closed off the streets, so walkers felt comfortable using the space.   

After the dispersal order, the only ones left in the street were lines of police in riot gear, and a funny man named Juan riding a bicycle back and forth wearing some kind of big headdress made of palm tree husks.  That’s L.A.!  There was also a man who had climbed high onto a light pole, with an Anonymous mask on the back of his head, shouting through a megaphone.  The crowd was comprised of many media people with cameras, some protesters, and at least one very ardent provocateur woman.   

Unlawful assembly laws differ state to state, but most of them follow the same thread.  An assembly is a group of people who gather for some purpose or activity.  If that activity is illegal, it is an unlawful assembly. If the activity is legal, but turns unlawful or looks as if it might, it can be declared an unlawful assembly. 

 
California Penal Code Section 407.  Whenever two or more persons assemble together to do an unlawful act, or do a lawful act in a violent, boisterous, or tumultuous manner, such assembly is an unlawful assembly.

Boisterous or tumultuous” means “conduct that poses a clear and present danger of
imminent violence” or when the crowd is gathered to do an unlawful act. 

For example, last night at First and Main, there probably was not any danger of imminent violence, although the mix of people in the group was definitely a tinderbox and anything could have happened.  Even if not likely to be imminently violent, the crowd was gathered for an unlawful act, namely, to stand in the street.  Note that the street was closed off by police, so there was no vehicle traffic.  The police did not declare an unlawful assembly until about 4:40 am, in anticipation that soon cars would be driving downtown with people going to work. 

First and Main is near the downtown Skid Row area, where many severely mentally ill people and drug addicts reside.  The street protest seemed to be a mix of many media reporters, out-of-towners in to show support for Occupy L.A., and a collection of Skid Row street people.  In addition to this, there were several members of the crowd who seemed to be agents provocateurs or highly irrational or unpredictable.

One scowling woman with dirty blonde hair  kept arguing with everyone and trying to provoke violence.  There were hints that she was a paid provocateur, because at one point she was arguing that the police should evict the camp since they announced they were going to.  She seemed disappointed that the raid had not gone down at the stated deadline hour.  (As of December 3, she is now seen at the GAs.)

A group was chanting about taking the street. Some whackos were making chalk drawings at the feet of the police. (I thought: They probably think of themselves as "peaceful," when in fact, they were so disrespectful.)  Meanwhile, an intense man seemed to be hallucinating and kept screaming at the police that they were the Syrian army.  He was really scary.  In short, it was time to get these people off the streets and up onto the sidewalk.  Once the order was issued, a man, who had previously been ranting and saying he was Jesus Christ, lay down on the street in a crucifixion position, but was finally coaxed up by a friendly man. 

The only actual LA Occupiers I saw in this crowd were the ones that came out to ask the people to please leave the street and go back to the park.  Sadly, the worldwide media may present Occupy L.A. as this mélange of troubled people out in the street.

DISPERSAL ORDER.  Last night, the LAPD made a loud announcement giving a declaration of an unlawful assembly and an order to disperse.  After the order was given, anyone stepping into the street, even those legitimately using the crosswalk to cross, was subject to arrest.  The police had to announce several times that this applied to the media people as well.  After the order, the only non-police person left in the street was the kooky man on the bicycle doing a parade style ride back and forth.  He provided much laughter, until a half hour later, when finally, a police officer on a motorcycle yelled at him to get up on the sidewalk.   The poor guy jumped as if he had been merrily in his own world the whole time.

Please read these rules below, which are taken directly from the Oakland Police Department Crowd Control and Crowd Management Policy, a golden bit of information that any protester should download and read.  Please read the script that the police use to declare an unlawful assembly and issue an order to disperse.  It is the same announcement as that used last night by the LAPD.   

If you are ever at a protest where such an order is issued, pay special attention to how you are supposed to exit, and allow others to exit and not be kettled up.  Last night, a lot of people were trapped and unable to move away because they had a police riot line a few inches in front of them and a densely packed group of people behind them.  The people behind, many of  whom were reporters or photographers, were pushing forward to see what was happening, which, as already explained, was a funny man riding a bicycle.   

From:  Oakland Police Department Crowd Control and Crowd Management Policy
(I strongly recommend that you download and read this Oakland policy, no matter where you are. )

F. When an Unlawful Assembly May Be Declared

1. The definition of an unlawful assembly has been set forth in Penal Code Section 407 and interpreted by court decisions. The terms, “boisterous” and “tumultuous,” as written in Penal Code Section 407, have been interpreted as “conduct that poses a clear and present danger of imminent violence” or when the demonstration or crowd event is for the purpose of committing a criminal act.

The police may not disperse a demonstration or crowd event before demonstrators have
acted illegally or before the demonstrators pose a clear and present danger of imminent violence.

2. The mere failure to obtain a permit, such as a parade permit or sound permit, is not a sufficient basis to declare an unlawful assembly. There must be criminal activity or a clear and present danger of imminent violence.

3. The fact that some of the demonstrators or organizing groups have engaged in violent or unlawful acts on prior occasions or demonstrations is not grounds for declaring an assembly unlawful.

4. Unless emergency or dangerous circumstances prevent negotiation, crowd dispersal techniques shall not be initiated until after attempts have been made through contacts with the police liaisons and demonstration or crowd event leaders to negotiate a resolution of the situation so that the unlawful activity will cease and the First Amendment activity can continue.

5. If after a crowd disperses pursuant to a declaration of unlawful assembly and subsequently participants assemble at a different geographic location where the participants are engaged in non-violent and lawful First Amendment activity, such an assembly cannot be dispersed unless it has been determined that it is an unlawful assembly and the required official declaration has been adequately given.  

 G. Declaration of Unlawful Assembly

1. When the only violation present is unlawful assembly, the crowd should be given an opportunity to disperse rather than face arrest.

Crowd dispersal techniques shall not be initiated until OPD has made repeated announcements to the crowd, asking members of the crowd to voluntarily disperse and informing them that, if they do not disperse, they will be subject to arrest.

These announcements must be made using adequate sound amplification equipment in a
manner that will ensure that they are audible over a sufficient area. Announcements must be made from different locations when the demonstration is large and noisy. The dispersal orders should be repeated after commencement of the dispersal operation so that persons not present at the original broadcast will understand that they must leave the area.

The announcements shall also specify adequate egress or escape routes. Whenever possible, a minimum of two escape/egress routes shall be identified and announced.
It is the responsibility of the on-scene OPD commanders to ensure that all such announcements are made in such a way that they are clearly audible to the crowd.
 
2. Unless an immediate risk to public safety exists or significant property damage is occurring, sufficient time will be allowed for a crowd to comply with police commands before action is taken.

3. Dispersal orders should be given in English and in other languages that are appropriate for the audience.

4. The Incident Commander should ensure that the name of the individual making the dispersal order and the date/time each order was given is recorded.

5. Dispersal orders should not be given until officers are in position to support/direct crowd movement.

6. Personnel shall use the following Departmental dispersal order:

I am (rank/name), a peace officer for the City of Oakland. I hereby declare this to be an
unlawful assembly, and in the name of the people of the State of California, command all
those assembled at _____________ to immediately leave. If you do not do so, you may be arrested or subject to other police action, including the use of force which may result in serious injury.  Section 409 of the Penal Code prohibits remaining present at an unlawful assembly. If you remain in the area just described, regardless of your purpose, you will be in violation of Section 409. The following routes of dispersal are available (routes). You have _______ minutes to leave. If you refuse to move, you will be arrested. *If you refuse to move, chemical agents will be used. (Provide the chemical warning only if use is anticipated).

7. When a command decision is made to employ crowd dispersal techniques, attempts to obtain voluntary compliance through announcements and attempts to obtain cooperation through negotiation shall both be continued. At any point at which a crowd is dispersing, whether as a reaction to police dispersal techniques, through voluntary compliance, or as a result of discussion or negotiation with crowd leaders, OPD dispersal techniques shall be suspended and the crowd shall be allowed to disperse voluntarily. This directive does not preclude a command decision by OPD to reinstate dispersal techniques if crowd compliance ceases.

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TO SUM UP:
What happens:
1) an unlawful assembly is declared.
2) an order to disperse is announced according to above script.
3) you have to leave or face arrest;
4) you  have to leave by the route they are telling you.  It is most likely going to be hard to hear that or understand that.
5) It is possible that kettling may take place.  This is very dangerous and do whatever you can to avoid situations where the police are kettling.




Kettling: What is it?

Kettling: What is it?
by Sue Basko

See also: Counter-Protesters and Counter-Demonstrators
see also: Masks and Bandannas at Protests

Kettling
at a protest is when police form a cordon and squeeze protesters together to "capture" them.  Kettling is also when police form lines to keep protesters from escaping a certain perimeter.

ALSO - BE SURE TO WATCH THE VIDEOS AT BOTTOM OF PAGE.

Kettling is often illegal and/or dangerous.  If an order to disperse has been called after an unlawful assembly has been declared, the police are supposed let people leave.  Kettling may be considered a human rights violation because while kettled, people are often kept for hours without access to water, food, bathrooms, the ability to communicate with their families, etc.

People kettled in the Occupy protests have then often been kept for many hours without food, water, or toilet use.  Some have been severely beaten by police after being kettled.   Hundreds have had zip-ties placed too tightly on their wrists for many hours.  There are many reports of nerve damage and numbness to hands and fingers.

Police have started to use the term Frozen Zone, probably to try to avoid letting it be known they are engaged in dangerous kettling/ illegal tactics.  Frozen zone is an area into which no one will be let in or out, in other words, this is kettling with a set perimeter.  There can be smaller kettling within a frozen zone.  The idea of the existence of a frozen zone is also used by police as an excuse or reason to keep journalists and reporters out.  (At Chicago NATO 2012, the Federal Protective Service (FPS) used the term "Red Zone" to describe an area with many federal buildings that were being heavily guarded by the FPS, but movement within the zone was not restricted.)

Los Angeles November 2011: At the November 30, 2011 raid on Occupy L.A., an order to disperse was called for the park area.  Those not wishing to be arrested were told to leave.  A few hours later, a second order to disperse was called on a nearby street.  Many people have reported that, as they tried to leave, they were kettled by cordons of police.  Many people were arrested and/or beaten as they tried to leave.  These people left the area they were told to leave, only to meet up with traps laid for them blocks away.  Others were immediately trapped and arrested as they tried to follow the order to leave.  Please note there was no protester violence or property damage.  Scroll down to bottom of this page to watch video of woman describe her experience in the LA raid kettling.

Why?  In the Los Angeles situation, it appears the police were trying to get arrest numbers up to justify the expense of a huge raid involving 1400 officers in riot gear, helicopters,  etc.   The only way to do this was to arrest peaceful people simply trying to leave.   There is no other plausible explanation, since there was no violence or property damage occurring and no logical reason to keep people from freely leaving the area.  In this incident, the LAPD used the term frozen zone to explain their kettling tactics.

Oakland January 30, 2012:  In Oakland on January 30, 2012, police kettled hundreds of protesters on a street outside a YMCA.  A police officer announced over a loudspeaker that the people were under arrest for failure to disperse from an unlawful assembly and that the protesters were given 3 prior warnings and were now under arrest.  Spencer Mills, aka Oakfosho, reported that he heard no such warnings being given, and his  video coverage audio is in agreement that no such warnings were given, or were not given to that particular group in that location.   Out of the approximately 400 arrests that day, only 12 have resulted in charges being filed.  It certainly sounds as if about 380 people were arrested and subjected to hours of torment followed by hours or days in jail -- for no particular or legal reason.

Staying Safe:  You are more likely to stay safe at a protest if you avoid being near provocateur types.  Police will target in on them and you may be caught in the cauldron.  If you are near such people, move far away from them.  Also keep in mind that such provocateurs may be police plants.

If it is a sidewalk protest, stay on the sidewalk; do not walk into the street.  If someone is leading people into the street, it is a provocateur or police plant or just bad leadership.  In any case, there is no logical reason to follow.

Safety from Police.   When the police are creating lines of officers to keep people from leaving a protest, as was done at the Occupy L.A. eviction, it is confusing as to what to do.  Some people have reported that they politely cooperated as they were detained by a line of police,  only to find themselves being arrested and sent to jail for several days on bogus charges.  Their physical safety and human rights were violated while in custody.  Others ran to flee and were beaten.  Others maneuvered cleverly enough to evade capture.   In such a situation, it helps to have quick-thinking ninja skills.  It seems there are no right answers when wrong things are happening, and you need to do what you can to protect your own safety.

It seems a full outside investigation should be done on this L.A. incident. In other kettling incidents worldwide, there have been investigations and lawsuits.  Kettling is often considered illegal and a violation of human rights.  

 Wikipedia has a good article about other kettling incidents.